Log of Apr 8 WebStudio Session

	15:13:55 JOIN webstudio has joined. (12.8.182.51) (SysOp) 15:14:33 webstudio Hello. 15:14:48 webstudio Welcome to the WebStudio. 15:16:22 Felix-Becerra ...still at the office (Rosen & Baker Associates) 15:16:42 Felix-Becerra ...got your email and thought I'd stop by... 15:17:16 webstudio Xavier says, "I'm glad that you could break away for a little bit for the creation of the Love Painting." 15:18:03 webstudio Xavier continues, "Yes, the WebStudio is an Internet-based art project we started on Tuesday." 15:18:47 Felix-Becerra ...my pleasure... I see it's coming togrther quite nicely... 15:18:49 JOIN Swafford has joined. (208.251.139.157) 15:19:47 webstudio Greetings Swafford, welcome to Day Two of the WebStudio ... glad you can join us. 15:20:06 Swafford Hey Cubie, Willard told me to stop in. Where is he? Halke 15:20:25 webstudio On Tuesday participants talked about love being represented in several ways. 15:21:08 webstudio Xavier: "Hi Halke. Good to hear from you. Nice username. Willard is probably driving through Iowa's cornfields right about now." 15:21:41 JOIN schmoop1 has joined. (152.163.195.199) 15:21:59 JOIN willy-and-mel has joined. (205.188.197.151) 15:22:11 Swafford Hey X, this is really a great idea. Too bad I have no idea how to use the system. 15:22:22 webstudio Love is represented as the child between two parents; as God; and as a thing with feathers. 15:23:17 webstudio Swafford: O.k., the chat system should automatically refresh for you every 5 seconds or so. 15:24:03 webstudio If you're impatient, or have an old browser which doesn't support auto-refreshs, you can click on the Refresh button under the text box. 15:24:33 webstudio If you have any specific questions, please ask away. 15:24:35 Swafford No need. I'm getting the images and text okay 15:25:06 willy-and-mel I am not in the corn fields....I'm here at home with my wife and baby. 15:25:29 schmoop1 How are you representing God? 15:25:33 Swafford Don't believe him, it's all a beard. 15:25:35 webstudio Welcome back to the WebStudio, Mel and Willy. 15:26:29 webstudio Xavier would like those of you that were online Tuesday to discuss what we did and how these images try to capture the concept of love. 15:26:33 Swafford I was talking to Willard. 15:27:30 webstudio Schmoop: based on Jules' discussion, I'm representing God as a light source. 15:27:31 schmoop1 Love is a thing with feathers....... it can fly, it is string but delicate at once 15:27:52 webstudio ("And I'm still trying to work on your green feathers.") 15:28:11 willy-and-mel OK, X, explain the whole 'feathers' thing. Whats up with that? 15:28:55 schmoop1 It's really a misquote of an Emily Dickinson line 15:29:05 webstudio If anyone needs a refresher course on Tuesday's session, you can scroll all the way to the bottom and click on the Logs link. Hit your browser's Back button to get back here. 15:29:14 schmoop1 I was on antihistamines at the time 15:29:50 webstudio Willy and Mel: Xavier thinks Schmoop could do better justice for that answer. 15:29:54 schmoop1 So how ARE U representing G-d? 15:30:08 webstudio Is love a drug? 15:31:01 webstudio "At the risk of sounding like an analyst, how do YOU think we should represent G-d?" 15:31:54 schmoop1 a kernel of corn 15:32:12 willy-and-mel Love is definitely not a drug. Love is not a base commodity, as drugs are. Love should clarify, while drugs only cloud things. 15:32:25 schmoop1 food for now, seed for later, vast potential in a small space 15:32:48 Swafford Make God look like Janet Reno - Strong yet strangely exciting. 15:33:06 willy-and-mel As far as the corn goes, since I am the expert in Iowa, I would recommend an ear of corn, so as to deal with the multi-faceted nature of both love and G_d. 15:33:34 schmoop1 YES YES 15:33:41 willy-and-mel Janet Reno..maybe she should be on a crucifix? 15:33:41 webstudio Haha 15:33:49 schmoop1 remember the maize commercials in the 1970s? 15:34:27 willy-and-mel Since we have discussed the physical representation of love at various levels, how would you depict the spirit of love, avoiding cliches? 15:34:33 schmoop1 Schmoop is about to return to other duties 15:34:56 schmoop1 That Janet woman has such presence 15:34:56 willy-and-mel Bye, Schmoop. We will miss your feathers. 15:35:01 Swafford I think God should be a blank space, very bright. If there is any image, we should only be able to see his shoes - and if that's the case, see Cheech Kasam, because he knows what God's shoes look like. 15:35:10 webstudio The reason we're addressing G-d, on Tuesday someone said Love is God and God is Love 15:35:16 schmoop1 bye 15:35:34 webstudio Although, we will focus on God in June. 15:35:45 willy-and-mel If Janet Reno is God (or Jesus), who would Monica Lewinsky be? 15:35:49 webstudio bye schmoop, thanks for the input. 15:36:23 Felix-Becerra Maria Magdalena 15:36:27 willy-and-mel I believe that John Lennon said that Love is God and God is Love. How about including John? 15:37:10 Swafford "Art is Love is God" - a phrase coined by Beat Generation Artist Wallace Berman - which I feel sums up this whole experience. What does God look like? Anything X paints is Art - which is Love - which is God. 15:37:18 willy-and-mel How about John Lennon (in his post Beatles phase), on a crucifix, with feathers to capture all themes? 15:38:15 Felix-Becerra X, when you close your eyes and think of love, the image you get in your mind should be on your canvass 15:38:15 willy-and-mel Philosophy should not be reduced to arithmetic equations, though. A doesn't alway equal B equal C off of the blackboard. 15:38:47 Swafford This from a dork in Iowa! 15:39:05 webstudio Xavier asks Willard, "Please draw that (you may cut and paste from albums), and scan it to webstudio@cortada.com - I'll proudly include on the painting." 15:40:22 webstudio Willard: Is love transferred in a qualitative if not quantitative way? 15:40:38 willy-and-mel OK, Swafford, what are your thoughts about these important subjects, Mr. Dork-caller? 15:40:42 webstudio What makes us love? 15:41:35 willy-and-mel Love is completely qualitative; it lacks the order and definition required for quantitative evaluation. 15:41:37 webstudio Felix-Becerra: What do you think of when you close your eyes? Can you describe it? 15:44:58 webstudio "This painting is probably the first of 3 or 4 that will explore what love is. The pivotal statement in defining this first painting discussed how Jacob was the "best thing that my husband and I had done together." 15:45:16 Felix-Becerra I have to say, I don't get an image... I do get "cosquillitas" in my stomach and feel like I, along with everything and everyone around me, are one in the same 15:45:49 webstudio Earlier today, someone from Oakland talked about his parental love as being the truest form of love. 15:46:12 Swafford Dear Willard, sorry but my first response to you was not allowed due to a large amount of dirty words. My thoughts on this important subject is, let X make his art the way he sees fit, and never again try to TP my car. 15:46:41 JOIN Barcanon has joined. (12.8.182.41) 15:46:50 JOIN liz has joined. (152.202.245.248) 15:47:12 Barcanon Hello all 15:47:27 webstudio Welcome Barcanon and liz to our WebStudio. 15:47:42 Felix-Becerra I agree with Swafford 15:47:47 willy-and-mel When I close my eyes and think of love, I see my family, sitting on a green river bank, under a tree during Indian Summer. Red and golden leaves dot the landscape as the sun sets. 15:48:12 webstudio Swafford: "This WebStudio project is different. It's about your ideas, and your art, coming onto this canvas. This is why we're talking about feathers, and corn, and Janet Reno." 15:48:34 Felix-Becerra I have to get back to work before I get fired... X, congrats again! Best of luck 15:49:05 webstudio Felix-Becerra: Xavier would like to know more about the "cosquillitas" you feel. 15:49:51 willy-and-mel By no means do I mean to imply that Xavier should create art under any restraints. He is the artist, his mind the canvas. When he loses his ability to create art from his independent thoughts, it's beauty and purity are lost. I apologize if my zealous typing has given people the wrong impression. 15:50:05 webstudio Xavier says, "Thanks so much for participating in this second WebStudio. It was great to share your ideas on love. Thanks Felix-Becerra." 15:50:51 Swafford Willard, apology accepted. 15:50:56 liz it looks beautiful, X 15:51:19 Felix-Becerra LOL 15:51:22 webstudio Willy: "Back in the days of the NAZCA lines, and the Egyptian pyramids, and the cave drawings, art was communal." 15:52:16 webstudio Xavier continues, "The role of artists was less central in the creation of art than it is today. In a very difficult way, this WebStudio is trying to explore that today." 15:52:33 Felix-Becerra Take care guys/gals... 15:53:01 webstudio "So if you were to tell me to paint love as an iguana I would do my best to paint that reptile on this canvas." 15:53:51 willy-and-mel My opinions are simply my own, though. My concept of art should not be the universal definition, even though my expression of thoughts tend to be a bit autocratic. 15:54:03 Swafford But I'm hoping it would be your interpretation of an iguana - otherwise it is just commercial art. 15:54:26 webstudio "Back to the main topic, we started talking about the love between two people, and the concensus has discussed the ultimate expression of love being a child created from love. What does the group feel about this?" 15:55:16 webstudio "Yes, the flaw and the purity is that I'm the only one with a paint brush in my hand." 15:55:43 liz i think love comes at the time of birth, not at the moment of conception. children are not always conceived in love, but they are born in love. does that make sense? 15:55:46 Swafford In essence, it is you're child. 15:56:06 webstudio But that however is tempered by the chat session transcripts that are logged on the website, as well as the emails with scanned images, which allow for your individual expressions." 15:57:54 webstudio Xavier says to liz: "That absolutely makes sense becauses otherwise would never be loved, and natural-born children would never be abused." 15:58:56 liz i agree. birth is the miracle that comes inspite of anyone's most horrible sin or "mistake" 15:59:06 webstudio Oops, the transcriber has failed. That should have read: "because otherwise adopted children would never be loved,". 15:59:53 Barcanon I'm a little confused about the relationship between 'our' expression and 'your' expression through Webstudio. Are our impressions expressed to influence you and vice versa or are we simply discussing a topic relevant to the artist's work? 16:00:11 Swafford I must argue that love at the time of birth is such a sexist remark - thereby leaving out the male's participation. A mothers love and a fathers love may be different, but how can you assume there is no love except that of the mother's. 16:00:18 webstudio "How would you like me to capture that, short of using words?" 16:01:18 liz i'm not talking about a mother's love. i'm talking about God's love. I never mentioned mother. And the gender of the Almighty -- I leave that to your interpretation 16:02:37 Swafford Understood. But if that is the case, the almighty's love is there at both the conception and the birth. 16:03:37 LEAVE liz has left. 16:03:50 willy-and-mel what are we talking about? 16:04:41 Swafford We're talking about love and children - now where were you when you're the only one who can fill us in.... 16:07:00 webstudio Barcanon: it is the former -- with the understanding that this is a difficult and capricious process (chock full of anoymity and barriers to communication). 16:07:21 webstudio Ok, we're back. Had a technical difficulty. 16:07:51 schmoop1 Barcanon has asked a very important question Mr. X 16:08:01 willy-and-mel X, willy says to show tears. tears of joy,pain,of hope for the new life that is about to begin. 16:08:50 JOIN Rosa-Scavo has joined. (208.251.93.127) 16:09:33 webstudio Welcome to the WebStudio, Rosa-Scavo. 16:09:42 willy-and-mel at the second of birth I felt overwhelmed. 16:10:25 Swafford X, good luck - I must be going. I believe that art is a singular experience that must first be experienced by the artist - then it can be shared. What does God look like, What does love look like - whatever you choose X. I look forward to seeing the finished work. Take care. Halke 16:11:00 webstudio Xavier says, "Willard, I'll paint a tear to capture your thoughts." 16:11:39 webstudio "Thank you Halke for joining us today. Stay in touch." 16:13:52 willy-and-mel As an extension of previous comments, Love is family, whether it is nuclear family or extended family. Bloodlines should not limit the concepts of family or love. 16:14:03 webstudio "Rosa, we're in day two of this painting, which is trying to capture the concept of love. Please see the link at the bottom of this page to see what we did on day one." 16:15:29 willy-and-mel Rosa, you are a newly joining chat community member. What are your thoughts on Love and it's depiction? 16:16:32 webstudio "Willard, I'm now drawing a family looking at their love creation." 16:20:18 webstudio "I've captured a tear, between the sun and the feather. I've captured a child who's at the center. I've tried to capture some family members to the side holding a stylized corn kernel/ear with some of your comments about what love is." 16:20:22 willy-and-mel why can't I see you painting anymore? 16:21:21 schmoop1 I think the nature of the interaction between us--the chatters-- & you the painter will be changing as the painting progresses. 16:22:13 webstudio "On the right side of the painting I have sort of a continuous infinity-loop alluding to a participant's comment that love is something you continuously do. And I have light, trying to capture the earlier comments on God being love, and God being light. 16:22:35 willy-and-mel welcome back schmoop 16:22:52 schmoop1 We need sound, music...... 16:22:54 webstudio Willy: the images aren't refreshing? Is the text refreshing? 16:23:10 schmoop1 thanks... i'm just checking in for a moment 16:23:18 webstudio "How so, Schmoop?" 16:23:38 willy-and-mel yes it is 16:23:53 schmoop1 At first we made suggestions about tyhe theme, the main images, the colors 16:24:16 webstudio So the images are back, Willy? 16:24:17 schmoop1 now the contributions are more to inspire you along not suggest what to paint 16:24:50 schmoop1 is that right? 16:25:01 willy-and-mel muisc to match love? 16:25:15 webstudio "Does anyone have a different point of view, regarding Schmoop's comment about this process?" 16:25:35 schmoop1 Are those Mel & Willard? 16:26:07 webstudio "This is a process that drives itself, and seems like a natural progression, especially as we approach the end of the painting." 16:26:20 willy-and-mel i agree with schmoop 16:26:54 webstudio "However, I'm trying to discipline myself not to take ownership of this in any step of the way -- something you must understand is incredibly difficult to do." 16:27:58 willy-and-mel Yes schmoop, it is M & W. 16:28:31 webstudio "Have any of you added your comments to the discussion forum?" 16:28:54 schmoop1 Kewl....gotta go again..... 16:29:00 willy-and-mel I believe we need to limit some of the input to the process as the painting develops. Otherwise, X willl continually paint one image on top of another. 16:30:07 webstudio "What do you think of perhaps having me paint during the time we're not in session, as a way as adding details to themes and topics already addressed by the group at large?" 16:30:37 willy-and-mel Are we talking about the chat room as the discussion forum? 16:31:50 willy-and-mel X, that sounds like great idea. I believe you could polish the images in your own style outside of the open forum. 16:32:36 webstudio Willy: There is a discussion forum you can access by scrolling down to the bottom of this page and clicking the link. There you can post articles, theses, or treatises, or perhaps just a simple phrase, on what you think love is. It's a place where you can express your thoughts in detail, albeit not in "real time". 16:34:09 webstudio "How will affect the continuity, epsecially since we're talking about a collaborative process? The benefit of having me do it here, is that if at any point you have the ability to ask me, and even stop me, why I paint a part of this painting. You may not be so inclined as the image looks closer to completion." 16:34:29 willy-and-mel Thanks for the knowledge. I will post my Lennon on the crucifix with feathers work there. 16:35:33 webstudio "I must admit that the process is inspiring. For instance, Mel had asked me to focus on the maternal. I am now painting a nurturing breast." 16:35:56 willy-and-mel Let's get back to the idea of the sound of love. While you are working on a 2 dimension plane of expression, what would Love sound like? 16:36:24 webstudio Willy: The forum is a text-only medium. If you send your images to webstudio@cortada.com we can then incorporate them into the painting and the site. 16:36:40 JOIN juan-lombillo has joined. (152.163.195.208) 16:36:51 webstudio "Great concept. Talk to me." 16:37:16 webstudio "Moreover, at the risk of brazing the pornographic, what does love feel like?" 16:37:38 webstudio Hi Juan, welcome to the WebStudio. 16:39:00 IDLE Rosa-Scavo was idle over 30 minutes and has been removed. 16:39:00 webstudio We're discussing the love painting now, which is the collaborative work we started on Tuesday, and should finish tomorrow or early next week. 16:39:01 juan-lombillo great to be here, javi and X 16:39:15 willy-and-mel Love feels deep and all encompassing. It knows no limits, but is not threatening. It offers heat, but is not controlling. 16:39:49 webstudio Glad to have you. Please share your wisdom on love. What is love? 16:41:54 juan-lombillo i am actually during a very short break from surgery. I am impressed by your work, both artistic, form and function. Keep it up, I have to sign off. Thanks... 16:42:29 webstudio Thanks for dropping by, Juan. 16:43:50 schmoop1 wow 16:44:21 webstudio Why the exclamation, schmoop? 16:45:07 IDLE Swafford was idle over 30 minutes and has been removed. 16:45:57 webstudio "Any advice on how to proceed artistically? What would you do?" 16:46:37 schmoop1 no, nada 16:46:57 schmoop1 I'm having a hard time sensing the texture of the painting 16:47:30 webstudio "I will bring you closer to it" 16:48:21 schmoop1 HAve you thought of incorporating the texts, as strips, as a kind of mat for the painting? 16:48:41 schmoop1 Framing and matting should be part of your creative process, too. 16:48:43 schmoop1 Framing and matting should be part of your creative process, too. 16:48:46 schmoop1 Framing and matting should be part of your creative process, too. 16:49:06 schmoop1 Cool, thanks 16:50:42 webstudio "Phenomenal idea, Schmoop. Especially as we get closer to the end of the process, when there's little room left on the surface of the painting to capture sheets of text." 16:51:24 schmoop1 Not on the canvas itself! But on a mat surropunding the canvas 16:51:45 schmoop1 maybe 5 inches wide 16:52:00 willy-and-mel It is time for us to take our leave. Thanks for listening to someone who talks too much for so long. 16:52:37 schmoop1 BYE 16:52:38 webstudio "I agree. It's a great idea to incorporate, for instance, the transcripts of this log session on the wood that would make the frame and matting for this particular piece of canvas I'm currently working on." 16:53:07 schmoop1 You can paint over the strips lightly like you do with the other stuff 16:53:32 webstudio "Willard, thank you for participating. It should be no surprise to you that this painting, in every way, is influenced by the love you and Mel share and have created in Jacob." 16:53:51 webstudio "Indeed, this is the love painting: About Jacob." 16:54:14 willy-and-mel We are flattered. We'll talk to you soon. Love to all. 16:54:22 LEAVE willy-and-mel has left. 16:55:38 webstudio "Thanks Schmoop for that advice. What else do you think we should do?" 16:56:30 schmoop1 I'm gonna have to go back to my work, but I like the idea of incorporating the texts 16:57:49 webstudio "Indeed, the text and images scanned from our electronic community are among the most conspicuous reminders that this is a painting created in the WebStudio." 16:58:40 webstudio "And these very transcripts we are writing, and the discussion forums on the site, are as integral to the process as the brushstrokes I'm adding to this canvas in a Little Havana studio." 16:59:29 webstudio "It is my hope that as this process grows and more people become familiar with the concept, it will take on a life of its own." 17:01:47 webstudio "Discussion forums would have endless threads of dialogue, counterpoints, random utterances, expressed by different people from different places in their anonymity." 17:04:07 webstudio "The visitors' gallery would have electronic images with photographs of people they have loved (e.g., a widower's sorrow), currently loved (a boyfriend or girlfriend), or want to love (Brad Pitt)." 17:13:10 IDLE juan-lombillo was idle over 30 minutes and has been removed. 17:15:55 schmoop1 Will you be painting more than one per month? 17:16:28 webstudio "Yes, probably." 17:16:49 schmoop1 Are you almost finished with this one? 17:17:00 webstudio "I will probably do a sub-topic or so every week, depending on the kind of flow and input I receive from WebStudio participants." 17:17:19 schmoop1 it's a beautiful composition 17:17:55 webstudio "I have a feeling that this one should probably be complete by the end of tomorrow's session, that is, at 3 p.m. In fact, I'll stay online until it's finished." 17:18:15 schmoop1 ironically, this collaborative piece has a lot of the old you in it 17:18:29 webstudio "Next week we'll focus on another sub-topic, maybe one of those alluded to but not addressed this week." 17:19:11 webstudio "That's very insightful. This piece reminds me alot of my 1979 painting Los Primeros Cristianos." 17:19:22 schmoop1 The LOVE GAZE ..... "the look of love"--- Brasil 66 17:19:39 webstudio "In a sense, there's a strong connection between the two." 17:20:30 webstudio "Los Primeros Cristianos I created in 1979 as a kid under the guidance of my dad." 17:20:37 schmoop1 "There are 2 people here." 17:20:50 webstudio "(Receiving his influence and transforming it into art.)" 17:21:32 webstudio "This one I do 20 years later, receiving input from all of you, and transforming it into art. In both cases I'm still learning." 17:22:52 webstudio "Yeah, this session officially ended about 5 mins ago." 17:23:19 webstudio "We're still online to capture any stragglers who may sign on after getting home." 17:23:46 schmoop1 I gotta go. Had fun. Great painting. C U later. 17:24:33 webstudio "Thank you for joinging us during session 2 at WebStudio. We'll be back at 1 p.m. tomorrow to continue the Love Painting." 17:24:50 webstudio The WebStudio is Now Closed 17:25:16 LEAVE webstudio has left.