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12:51:48 webstudio Greetings Jean welcome to the WebStudio
12:55:02 webstudio please scroll to the bottom of this page and click on the
previous sessions so you can see what three different groups of folks have done to create
the piece that is currently on the screen
12:56:43 webstudio As you may gather, it is a collaborative piece that tries to
capture "love" through the comments made on-line through this chatroom
12:57:43 webstudio Input can also be provided by posting an article in the
discussion forum on love, or by e-mailing us directly
12:58:42 jean what is the topic today ?
12:59:21 webstudio The links for the discussion forum and the webstudio e-mail
can also be found by scrolling to the bottom of this chatroom
12:59:42 webstudio Today's topic is love.
13:00:16 webstudio "You can learn more about this topic by clicking on the
'love painting' link at the bottom of this page."
13:00:54 webstudio "Specifically, we're going to put some finishing touches
on the painting before you, and begin gathering ideas for another painting we're going to
start today."
13:01:21 webstudio "First of all, do you have any comments or ideas on this
painting I'm working on right now?"
13:02:05 webstudio "It is a painting that tries to capture paternal love,
divine love, and family love -- based on the input from the three prior sessions."
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13:02:49 webstudio Welcome to the WebStudio, Miguel.
13:04:56 webstudio "So today we're looking for your input as to what the
new painting should be, and hopefully we'll explore topics other than these three."
13:05:16 webstudio "However, that's entirely up to you."
13:09:33 jean I THINK LOVE IS SOMETHING WE LEARN TO DO.THE MORE ONE UNDERSTANDS
ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON THE MORE ONE IS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND IF THE RELATIONSHIP IS
AN INTIMATE ONE SURELY THIS AIDES IN HAVING A MORE LOVING REALTIONSHIP. I THINK HATE IS
LEARNED TOO.
13:11:06 webstudio "Jean, do you think hate and love are part of one
emotion at different sides of a continuum?"
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13:14:36 webstudio Welcome The-Assman.
13:14:42 The-ASSMAN love is............................?
13:14:58 jean that's an interesting idea you suggest.my first reaction is to say
no as one emotion does not necessarily include or exclude the other.not sure if i'm making
sense
13:15:29 webstudio "Impossible?"
13:16:27 jean who is the -assman
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13:17:26 webstudio "I certainly hope you're right, Jean. How sad if
something so beautiful is a mirror image of something so evil. The only reason I
raise it, is because more often than not you hate the ones you have loved. Or so I
think. That is, it's difficult to hate someone you haven't had a strong connection
with. But that maybe the answer. Maybe to hate someone, to really hate
someone, means you never really loved that person."
13:17:33 webstudio "Am I making sense?"
13:18:32 webstudio "Greetings Chris, welcome to the WebStudio. We are
fleshing out ideas for a new painting that we'll start momentarily, as I put the finishing
touches on this one, the one we've been working on for the past three sessions."
13:20:11 webstudio "Does anyone have any ideas about the topic for the
second painting. The first one explored family and divine concepts of love.
Anyone interested in another form of love?"
13:20:18 jean no doubt there are many contributing factors that go into
loving or hating. maybe that's smething to think about.one well known reason to hate seems
to be differences
13:20:33 chris Truth
13:21:22 Miguel-Angel Hello, do you copy me??
13:21:39 webstudio "Or Jean, to bring it full circle to your first comment,
our inability to communicate our differences, whether in a dysfunctional household, or in
Kosovo."
13:22:02 webstudio Loud and clear, Miguel.
13:22:16 Miguel-Angel Ah, allright. I think that love is a feeling, something
you don't really understand until you feel it. So, I would say that love is undestanding.
13:22:22 jean yes exactly
13:22:42 webstudio "True love, Chris?"
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13:23:48 Miguel-Angel How would you depict understanding on the canvas?
13:24:14 webstudio "Miguel talks about understanding, Jean talks about
communication, Chris talks about truth -- shall we begin to tie these together?"
13:24:30 jean love is an evolving creative state i would think.if it can survive
this and grow i would say there was truth involved
13:24:33 webstudio "How would you, Miguel?"
13:24:48 Miguel-Angel Marvelous input about the differences.
13:25:08 webstudio "I think, Miguel, we've been begun our second painting
with your question."
13:26:12 Miguel-Angel I find so difficult to depict understanding on a visual
way. All my life I've been a realistic artist, depicting what I see. So much difficult is
to depict what you don't see.
13:26:55 webstudio "I think this painting is about communication and
understanding, and there are different ways of approaching it."
13:27:46 webstudio "For one, we can incorporate symbols or shortcuts."
13:28:05 webstudio "A visual iconography of sorts."
13:29:21 webstudio "Secondly, we can and will incorporate text.... this log
session, and hopefully any articles you may post in the discussion forum."
13:29:36 jean symbols that we may have to discover for ourselves.yes
that's difficult.dreams and a constant watch on our inner life would seem to be a
prerquisite.
13:30:01 webstudio "Thirdly, we can use certain colors to create emotions.
For instance, complementary colors merging."
13:30:10 webstudio "What ideas do you have?"
13:31:08 Miguel-Angel Hello, I'm back after I fell.
13:31:11 jean dancing in the flames
13:31:41 webstudio "Think of a point in your life where misunderstanding
had an effect. Try to think of the moment, put yourself in the place and time.
Now close your eyes, just for a second, and 'see' what you see -- what images come
to mind? I'll do the same."
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13:32:34 Miguel-Angel Visual iconography, text. Excellent.
13:32:44 webstudio "Anyone open their eyes yet?"
13:33:03 webstudio Welcome back, Willy.
13:33:28 webstudio "Miguel, would you be so kind to lead us in a
brain-storming rant that deals with visual iconography?"
13:33:51 webstudio "Please do not hesitate to throw in any person, place,
or thing that comes to mind. Any."
13:34:18 jean words are much easier to come up with.i'm thinking of a fluttering
sick feeling.tears about to spring.now for an image.help
13:34:19 Miguel-Angel Wow!! you touche a point there!! A moment in my life where
misunderstanding had an effect! There are many in our experiences.... any in particular?
13:34:43 willy I just got here. What is the subtext of the discussion of
visual iconography?
13:35:30 webstudio "Miguel: think of a misunderstanding in a love
situation."
13:36:03 willy OK, I think I know where we are going now...
13:36:21 webstudio "The painting we worked on the past three sessions is
all but finishedm, Willy. I'll be painting it online while the chat room is closed,
but we'll probably not be receiving any more input on it, so we can focus on this second
painting."
13:36:48 webstudio "This second painting is talking about the understanding
and communication in love, and we're looking at ways of portraying that."
13:37:39 Miguel-Angel Let's see. Iconography about misunderstanding. A child
pointing with a finger to an image of a heart. He understands the iconography as love.
People around him don't understand why he's pointing.
13:37:47 webstudio "What are some obvious icons to depict
communication?"
13:38:27 jean flooding a torrent gushing..a darkness is in the background
and threatening to overtake.am i on or off the track
13:38:36 willy Focusing on a direct portrayal, you could have two people,
looking at each other or juxtaposed similarly, with one person looking frustrated/betrayed
while the other appears sorry. This would be more of an apology after a
misunderstanding, though.
13:38:57 webstudio "Does this capture it? Tell me more."
13:39:38 willy A flickering candle, with the flame representing love under
stress...
13:39:39 webstudio "The track is understanding, are you describing
precursors to understanding, as in being misunderstood, Jean?"
13:40:13 Miguel-Angel Are you asking me?
13:40:41 webstudio "Indeed, Miguel. And everyone else."
13:42:12 jean no i'm trying to describe the near intangible sensation when one
realizes you've not understood correctly and have made another person suffer.
13:42:18 Miguel-Angel Well, the image of a child I was suggesting is of a more
universal love. The love that permeates and oozes out of every act of creation.
13:42:52 jean the flickering candle idea touches me
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13:44:04 webstudio "Good, Jean. Right now I've got your stormy clouds
behind Willy's flickering candle, and above his person in distress. I have Miguel's
hand pointing towards a heart on the other side of that candle, almost as if we';re
looking at the flickering alternating between the chaos and the love, the chaos and the
love."
13:45:10 jean wow this is thrilling
13:45:35 webstudio "You're seeing me draw very rough sketches of the images
you've suggested. Naturally, these are my interpretations of your interpretations.
Please give me specific advice on how to make this more consistant with what you're
imagining, on the other side of this cyber-communication."
13:45:47 webstudio "After all, this *is* about understanding."
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13:46:05 Willy We need to tie the image of the hand (at 9 oclock) and the
communication between the two people together. What could be a bridge for the
images?
13:46:53 jean i don't know how to get to the painting you are doing
13:47:27 webstudio "The hand was symbollicaly the boys hand as recommended
by Miguel.... what ideas do we have?"
13:47:35 Willy The storm and the candle work very well together, especially if
it is a light colored candle against a dark stormy background image.
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13:49:46 Willy Could we somehow portray a maturation process between the hand
and the faces of the lovers, showing a growth from childhood to adult communication?
13:50:29 Willy Could we somehow portray a maturation process between the hand
and the faces of the lovers, showing a growth from childhood to adult communication?
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14:02:36 webstudio We experienced some technical difficulties. Sorry for
the interruption, hopefully this will not occur again."
14:03:19 webstudio "Although I know most of you got wiped out with our
little technical difficult, I think this freak accident was a perfect irony."
14:04:25 webstudio "How absolutely bizarre that when collaboratively
sketching a painting on communication and understanding, we lose our ability to
communicate."
14:04:58 webstudio "Our challenge in the WebStudio (and in real life) is
not to ignore this miscommunication, but to learn and grow from it."
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14:05:37 webstudio "Our challenge is not to ignore it or try to cover it
up, but to actually address it and I have through the text at the center of the
painting."
14:06:27 webstudio Welcome back, Willy.
14:06:54 webstudio "It is probable that you and the others were knocked off
during our miscommunication."
14:07:09 webstudio "(Made to sleep in the doghouse, if you will.)"
14:09:37 willy Hey, X, I got locked out and just got back in. What's been
happening?
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